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  New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.

  9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.

  21:12, 17;] jn.

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  Sea Breeze

  Thanks for the completed list Vanderhoven7

  The Traditional Passages Showing Christ's Deity are probably worth posting on this thread as well: showing that, like the Father, Jesus is...

  
  - Called God: John 1:1 with v. 14; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1; Luke 1:16-17
  - From Everlasting: Ps. 90:2 with Micah 5:2
  - Receiving worship: Mat. 2:11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:38; Heb. 1:6 (etc., 10x) with Ex. 34:14; Acts 10:25-26 & Rev. 19:10
  - Forgiving/Delegating Power to Forgive: Mat. 6:9, 12 with Jn. 20:23; Luke 5:20; Mark 2:5-11 & 1 Jn. 1:7-9
  - Omniscient: John 10:15; 2:24-25 21:17
  - Omnipresent: Ps. 139:7-10 with Mat. 18:20 & 28:20
  - Omnipotent: Rev. 1:8 with 11-13, 17; 2:8; 5:11-6:1, 21:22-23; & 22:13
  - Immutable: Mal. 3:6 with Hebrews 13:8
  - The exact equivalent
  in nature: Heb. 1:3; Phil 2:6 doesn't rob the Father to see Christ as His equal
  in fullness: Col. 2:9 (in Christ "dwells all the fullness of the Godhead")
  in glory: Isa. 45:25 with Gal. 6:14 and John 1:14; etc.
  to whom every knee shalll bow: Isa. 45:23 with Phil. 2:10
  to whom every tongue shall confess: Isa. 45:23 with Phil. 2:11 and Rom. 14:10-11
  as the Almighty: Rev. 1:8 with 11-13, 17; 2:8; 5:11-6:1, 21:22-23; & 22:13
  as Creator: Isa. 45:5-7, 18 with John 1:3 and Col. 1:16-17
  as Savior: Isa. 45:21 and Luke 1:47 with Titus 3:6; 2:13; 2 Pet. 1:11; 1 John 4:14
  as searcher of hearts: Ps. 139:23-24 with John 2:24-25 & Rev. 2:18-19, 23
  as possessor of the everlasting kingdom: Dan. 7:13-14
  as King of Kings: Rev. 19:16 with Dan. 2:47 and Isa. 33:22
  as Lawgiver: James 4:12
  as Judge: Ps. 9:7-8; 50:6 & 75:7; Isa. 33:22; 66:16; Heb. 12:23 with John 5:22; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Rom. 2:16; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1, 8
  as Jehovah: Isa. 40:3 with Mat. 3:3; and Isa. 8:13-14 with 1 Pet. 2:7-8; Mat. 21:42; Mk. 12:10.
  
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  New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.

  9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.

  21:12, 17;] jn.

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  Sea Breeze

  What's unclear about "the father is greater than I"?

  UBERWitless, that's a socalled "proof scripture" that the WT uses.

  Nothing unclear about that verse you cited. Also perfectly clear is that Jesus possesses "all power in heaven and earth" - Mt. 28: 18

  Also, equally clear is that Jesus said he would resurrect himself while he was dead. - John 10:18
  
  The problem is that the fundamental assumption of the WT is materialism [sort of]. They deny that personhood is attributed to someone's spirit or soul in the bible. Then, they use this false assumption to harp on some scriptures while denying others.

  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. - 1 Thess. 5: 23

  Since we are Tri--Partite beings with personhood attributed to each, according to many scriptural proofs, it is easy to see where Jesus at times spoke from his flesh as the son of Mary, and at other times from his spirit [the very essence of God] as the son of God.
  
  Jesus referred to himself as both the son of God and the son of man. He was both - indivisible essence of God in spirit joined to a fully functioning physical human body.
  
  Bottom line is that if the bible teaches that Jesus was both God and man, that should be the official Christian position, regardless of whether or not we accept it or if we fully understand it.
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  New Approach to Discussing Deity of Christ with JW's

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  5:27; 9:59; 18:22; jn.

  9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; jn.

  21:12, 17;] jn.

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  Sea Breeze

  Imagine a prophet or an angel talking like Jesus did:

  
  

  Christ's Self-focus:

  • "Follow Me" 19x Mt. 4:19; 8:22; 10:38; 16:24; 19:21; Mk. 1:17; 2:14; 8:34; 10:21; Lk. 5:27; 9:59; 18:22; Jn. 1:43; 8:12; 10:27; 12:26; 13:36; 21:19, 22
  • Pray and act "in My name" 18x Mt. 7:22; 18:5; 18:20; [24:5]; Mk. 9:37, 39, 41; [13:6]; Lk. 9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; Jn. 14:13-14; 15:16; 16:23-24, 26; Acts 9:15
  • "the Holy Spirit" comes "in My name" Jn. 14:26
  • "for My name's sake" leave family and property Mt. 19:29; or even be killed 5x Mt. 24:9; [Lk. 21:12, 17;] Jn. 15:21; Acts 9:16
  • Believe in the "name of the… Son" and "in the Son" 3x Jn. 3:18, 36; 9:35 and "in Him [Jesus]" 4x Jn. 3:18; 6:29, 40; 8:31
  • "believe in Me" 14x Mt. 18:6; Mk. 9:42; Jn. 3:15-16, 18; 6:35, 47; 7:38; 11:25, 26; 12:44, 46; 14:1, 12; 16:8; 17:20
  • You "are sanctified by faith in Me" Acts 26:18
  • Live "in Me" Jn. 11:26
  • "come after Me" Mk. 8:34; Lk. 14:27
  • Abide "in Me" Jn. 15:2, 4:5, 7 "abide in Me" or else Jn. 15:6 "abide in My love" Jn. 15:9-10
  • "where two or three are gathered" Jesus is "there in the midst of them" Mt. 18:20
  • So too: "I [Jesus, will abide] in you" Jn. 15:4-5
  • "know that I am He" Jn. 8:28 or "if you do not believe that I am He you will die in your sins" Jn. 8:24
  • Do things "for My sake" Mt. 10:22, 39; even lose your life "for My sake" 4x Mt. 16:25; Mk. 8:35; 10:29; Lk. 6:22
  • "I never knew you, depart from Me" Mt. 7:23
  • "I am willing; be cleansed" Mt. 8:3; Mk.. 1:41
  • "confess Me" Mt. 10:32; Lk. 12:8
  • Do not deny "Me" 7x Mt. 10:33; 26:34; Mk. 14:30, 72; Lk. 12:9; 22:34; Jn. 13:38
  • Do not be "ashamed of Me" Mk. 8:38; Lk. 9:26 nor "My words"
  • "love Me" 5x Jn. 14:15, 21, 23-24, 28
  • Do not reject "Me" Lk. 10:16; Jn. 12:48
  • "He who is not with Me is against Me" Lk. 11:23
  • Love Me "more than" your family members Mt. 10:37; [Lk. 14:26]

  
  

  
  

  Bob Enyart skillfully presents this material
  in a secretly recorded meeting with a Jehovah's Witness Elder on a return visit.
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  9 Year Old Used Basic Logic And Came To An "Apostate" Conclusion

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  related experience;.

  basically what happened is my mom was studying with my 9 year old sibling and they were talking about the paradise.

  my sibling then proceeded to ask, in a clearly joking way, "what if jehovah was tricking us and we don't go to paradise?

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  Sea Breeze

  I came to an apostate conclusion at age 13 in 1976 when I found myself still alive in one piece and my family pretended like no one expected the end to come the year before.
  
  It was very rough teen years after that..... when I literally didn't believe in anything.

  Check out all the doom & gloom:
  
  
  
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  How would you respond?

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you tell a jw that he or she is in a cult and they asked you why do you say that?

  how would you respond?.

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  Sea Breeze

  I agree Sea Breeze that there are probably many scriptures one can use to demonstrate Watchtower doesn't have the truth as taught in the Bible.

  True. But, this is the only scripture that states twice that if a person preaches a different message than what the apostles preached they are cursed of God. The GB is proud of all their changing doctrines and calls them : adjustments, increased understandings, new light etc.
  
  Gal. 1: 8:9 is a direct assault on their idolatry.... no doctrines, no arguing, no subjective viewpoints - just replacing lies with truth.
  
  
  
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  How would you respond?

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
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  if you tell a jw that he or she is in a cult and they asked you why do you say that?

  how would you respond?.

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  Sea Breeze

  Easy - Galatians 1: 8-9

  8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

  9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

  It's easy to get JW's to admit that the apostles did not teach a two-tier salvation: one with the new covenant and one without the new covenant. Once they admit this, simply read the above scripture.
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  Just saw this on Reddit…

  by Biahi in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a person said they were working at an adult bookstore…a jw came in to do exterminating.

  saw the former brother working behind the counter.

  lol.

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  Sea Breeze

  a JW came in to do exterminating

  They are good at exterminating things, that's for sure:

  families

  love

  friendships

  God's grace

  other people's reputation

  happiness

  joy
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  Afghanistan-Kabul falls to Taliban - U.S. Embassy staff evacuated by helicopter

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a scene reminiscent of the fall of saigon, the usa embassy staff have been evacuated by helicopter.. for a third time in asia ( a fourth, if you count usa supported chiang kai shek's defeat in mainland china) usa supported forces have been defeated.

  more than 1 trillion dollars wasted and a huge deathtoll (both sides) afghanistan is back to where it started,.

  will the taliban behave differently this time ?

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  Sea Breeze

  ABC host George Stephanopoulos asked, “[W]e’ve all seen the pictures. We’ve seen those hundreds of people packed into a C-17. We’ve seen Afghans falling –.”

  Biden then cut in to state, “That was four days ago, five days ago.”

  Stephanopoulos then asked, “What did you think when you first saw those pictures?”

  Biden answered, “What I thought was, we have to gain control of this. We have to move this more quickly. We have to move in a way in which we can take control of that airport. And we did."

  Anyone else confused by his statements? Poor Joe. ”

  
  
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  Squandered Life of Jehovah's Witness Youth

  by silentbuddha in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  08:30 - 15:30 = school.

  08:30 - 15:30 = school.

  08:30 - 15:30 = school.

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  Sea Breeze

  Joe, he was 48. He had been disfellowshipped twice and had recently decided to go back about 4 months ago. When he was not reinstated he kind of went off the deep end...

  That's just terrible. I don't know even what to say. I can only say those elders have blood on their hands and do not understand what GRACE means.
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  If all GB members died at once?

  by Jofi_Wofo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't suppose anyone knows for sure, but do we have any kind of hint of what would happen if all of the governing body members died at the same time- such that nobody was left to appoint successors?

  in lieu of any solid evidence, i'd also be interested in hearing some speculation based on what we already know about the organizational structure.. it would certainly throw a wrench in either the teaching that the faithful and discreet slave will survive into the great tribulation and/or the implied doctrine that the the gb succession arrangement is justifiable biblically.

  let me firmly disclaim any implication that i am encouraging violence or wishing death on the governing body.

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  Sea Breeze

  The vacuum would be filed.